Several years ago when I started to learn about the various types of military saddles I would try and find as many images of British Military saddles as I could. Eventually I had built up a fair collection of images of the different types and also of the UP pack saddle with different types of loads fitted.
I eventually came across a rather poor quality image of an Indian Soldier leading a Mule in Gallipoli and it looked as if the Pack saddle on the mule had been modified to hold a reel of telegraph wire. The poor quality of the photo meant that it wasn’t clear if the saddle was one of the following:
a modified Pack Saddle
a modified UP Saddle (which occasionally happens)
A bespoke saddle for signals units
At the time I was helping a couple of historians with some of their research into equipment of cavalry and mounted units and I enquired with them if they had ever seen anything like this before and if they knew what is was?
The responses were pretty poor to be honest, ranging from “I’m not interested in that type of detail” to “it doesn’t look like a cavalry item, so it can’t be important.”
It was a bit of a hard lesson for me and helped to shape some of my views on the relationships between Historians, Battlefield Guides and Reenactors. It also made me start to understand where each of these groups have gaps or limits in knowledge or levels of detail.
Not to be daunted I continued to search for information on the different types of saddles and how they were configured and modified, always keeping an eye out for hopefully a clearer image of the “Cable Saddle”
The break through came over this summer as I was researching the Heliograph bucket for the UP saddle and I came across this really clear image of the Saddle with a Canadian Engineer Unit.
While it seemed to me that saddle configuration may have started as a “Heath Robinson” modification of a UP Pack Saddle it appeared to have become a formal Pack Saddle variant, which may have accounted for the slight variations in the saddles in the two photos. I suspected that the saddle shown in the photo from Gallipoli was probably one of the early versions, while the one shown below is a more refined model. My assumptions may well have been influenced by the quality of image rather than detail of the saddles!
It was purely by chance when I was researching the Heliograph saddle buckets that I got chatting via messenger with the a chap called Jonathan Paynter who had an original set of heliograph and telescope buckets and as we chatted he told me that had done a set of drawings of the Cable Pack Saddle, from this I became aware of the cable types used with the saddle.
It is clear that the saddles shown in the two photos had different types of cable, the photo of the Indian Signaller with the mule has a large drum fitted and a different front arrangement, my initial guess was that this may be D1 type cable. However a bit of research into Telegraph cable types provided some real bonus details. The Royal Canadian Signals Website provided the detail of the differences in the cables, a link to the website is below. From the website it states that D2 cable is a lightweight usage telegraph cable and D3 is heavy weight usage, with D2 cable being ideally dispensed from Pack equipment (Bingo!). It is also interesting to note that D2 Twin cable is available. Having looked at the website details I discounted D1 cable as an option as it is a lighter weight cable and only single strand.
D2 single strand is 20-25 lbs per mile and comes in half mile reels and has a breaking strain of 140lbs, D2 twin is approximately 50 lbs per mile with a breaking strain of 250 lbs.
D3 single is 40-50 lbs per mile with a breaking strain of 196 and D3 Twin is 84 lbs and a breaking strain of 354 lbs. Based on that information the larger reels appear to be the D2 & D3 twin Cable reels.
The chat with Jonathan gave me more details and showed that the saddle would carry upto 6 reels of Cable (D2 or D3 type cable) and these would dispense a single reel out over the back of the Pack Horse/ Mule and would allow the signals team to then place the cable in position. I would also suspect that where twin cable is used they would cut the load to 3 cable reels due to both weight and also the space occupied on the saddle.
The Royal Canadian Signals website also has a cracking photo section and in there I was able to find clear photographs of both versions of the Cable Saddle.
The pattern saddle matches the one in the Gallipoli photograph
a side on view of the cable saddle matching the one shown with the Canadian signals section photo.
Pack horses being training with the Cable Saddle and dispensing the cable
A link to the photo section of the Royal Canadian Signals Website is below, (its a cracking website so please go and have a look round it.) But the real benefit was that it showed that both types of saddle were proper variations of the Cable saddle and both appear to be able to dispense D2 and D3 cable (single and twin). I will make an assumption that the larger reel in the Gallipoli photo is a reel of twin cable.
So what is the purpose of the Telegraph Cable saddle? While the Cable Wagon would rapidly dispense cable along roads and tracks, it would have difficulty moving the cable onto the next stage of the journey going forward. Effectively the Cable wagon would operate at Signal Company/ Squadron level and above, and also with dedicated Cable Laying Units, and they were Divisional level assets. The Cable laying pack horse would be a Brigade level asset and be operated by a Signals Section or Signals Troop connecting Brigade HQ to Regiment/ Battalion HQs and would be able to move over more damaged or constrained terrain. The final connections forward would then be undertaken by men unreeling cable by hand.
Indian Corps Signal Section putting up a telegraph line, Merville, France.
Cable being laid by hand in Palestine
While this may seem like it is a small deviation from my usual focus it does tick a couple of boxes for me. Firstly it is a variation on the pack saddle and part of the UP saddle family.
Secondly and importantly it is another element of information that debunks the assertion that Engineering can not be carried out from horseback. With Signalling, at this point in time, being an Engineering task this is an almost perfect example of engineering being delivered (dispensed) from Horse Back.
It’s surprising what you find when you go searching for other things!
Since I started doing Great War riding and re-enacting/ living history one of the things that was always pushed was the need to ensure that I had an appropriate saddle. Be that an Officers pattern saddle or an 1902 UP saddle.
The more that I got into Great War Living History and the more that learned I found that there were various patterns of the 1902 saddle and also that the Universal Pattern saddle had evolved over time, all of which made sense.
As part of that learning process I encountered the 1912 Universal Pattern Saddle. While this looks very similar to the 1902 Saddle the difference is that the Steel Arches of the Saddle are hinged and this allows the wooden boards of the saddle to move and rotate in a limited manner. The purpose of this was to create a Saddle that could fit all varieties of horse and mule. Where a unit with 1902 UP saddles would need a variety of sized saddles (generally Medium (Size 2) and Large sized arches (Size 3)) the adoption of the 1912 UP saddle was meant to do away with the need for holding spare saddles or arches of different sizes.
For Example a Royal Engineer Field Squadron was meant to hold saddles sized at the percentage rate of:
Size 0 – 0% (this size of saddle was only issued to Mounted Infantry who tended to be mounted on Cob sized horses (less than 15 hands high)
Size 1 – 10% (Small Horses)
Size 2 – 50% (Medium Horses)
Size 3 – 40% (Large Horses)
While this system was fine in peacetime or early in conflicts it was recognised that horses may lose condition, or change the muscle definition when worked/ exercised. in the initial instance some of this variation in the horse can be managed with the way that the horse blanket is folded but this is not the ideal. Also there is the fact that when remounts are provided (horse battle casualty replacements) they may not be of the same size as the horse that they replaced and as such would need different saddles.
The aim was that the 1912 UP saddle would solve this issue by providing a saddle that was “flexible” to meet the sizing and any changes in the physical condition of all horses.
However it wasn’t widely issued with British Units. There are comments that state that the Swivel connection was a point of weakness in the saddle and as such it wasn’t really adopted. This isn’t the case. Firstly the saddle was widely used by the Australian mounted units, particularly the Australian Light Horse and it was viewed as an excellent saddle, very suitable and robust for military usage, both fully loaded and on it’s own. The second, and probably the main reason is that by the time it was accepted for use by the Army the Great War had started and the reality was that the Army already had stocks of the 1902 UP saddles and their components. Also the fixed Arches of the 1902 were considerably easier to manufacture quickly and less complicated when constructing the saddles in comparison to the 1912 UP..
In terms of the Australians, they would have less stock of the older pattern saddles and may well have been in the process of “re-tooling” for the 1912 when the war came and the expansion of the Australian Army and in particular the Mounted Units it would have made sense to just make the new pattern of saddle.
It is certainly the case that most examples of the 1912 tend to be found in Australia.
Over the last 18 months I’ve been linking in with Gerard Hogan in Australia, a Saddler and historian that is working with the Australian Army Museum, and the opportunity arose to obtain a 1912 UP Saddle for my own collection, both in terms of being able to use it for riding as well as for Living History displaying.
The basics of the saddle, such as the arches and boards were originals (from different original saddles) but the leather work would be new. I was asked if I wanted the leather work marked to a particular unit, so I kept it basic and asked that Gerard mark it with his own marks and also with unit marks appropriate to an Australian unit.
To that end there are stamp marks with Broad Arrows but with GH stamped next to them (Gerard Hogan) and also all parts stamped for 10th Battery Australian Field Artillery.
Part of the refurbishment process is to do some treatment work on the saddle. I was under very specific orders not to stain the leather dark, but to keep it the light tan colour as was the case in the Great War, the darkening of the leather was tend to a mix of it being used over a 100 years and also it not being properly cleaned!
So the orders were to make sure that all of the leather was fully coated with dubbing, I have been using Elico’s Gold Label Brown Dubbin, which has been ideal as it is easy to work into the leather.
So what is the plan for the saddle? The aim is to use it for riding and displays. My horse, Rosey, has high withers and back length that does not suit any of the UP saddles that I currently have:
The 1890 UP is 24″ long
The 1902 UP is 23″ long
The 1902 UP (HC variant) is 22″ long and fits her back but not her withers and shape of her sides.
The 1902 UP (Indian variants) are 21″ long, they fit by length but are too narrow.
The 1912 UP is 21″ long and has the movement in the boards to hopefully fit her.
The 1912 will also fit Meg the mule. Also it allows me to show the variation and the evolution of the saddles over time. I will probably look to set the 1912 up as either a typical fit out for Australian Light Horse or for a Driver with the Sappers, Gunners or Army Service Corps, with a Greatcoat strapped to the front of the saddle and plain shoe case (and the Rifle to be slung across the back of the rider.)
Overall, a great addition and once I’m back in the UK full time I’ll be able to get it set up appropriately and hopefully get out for a plod in the local area with either Meg or Rosey using the saddle. More to come……
During the Great War, signals was an element of Royal Engineers with some parts devolved or shared out to different cap badges including the Cavalry.
Now signals are not a particular interest of mine but they do have some very particular elements of equipment that link into the Mounted Units or have resulted in some interesting horse and saddle equipment.
I will confess that the idea for this post came about when I came across an interesting photo that was unusual for a couple of reasons.
The reason that I first look at this image as it is so unusual to find a rider of a horse in the Great war to be wearing 1908 Equipment (Webbing). The next thing was that item that was strapped next to the rifle bucket, I’d never come across that before and my initial curiosity thought that I may well have been a trials piece of kit or something linked with the Hotchkiss Machine gun, but I couldn’t find anything that related to that.
It was purely by accident that I came across another photo with a similar set up and it referred to it as “Signals Flags Bucket”.
With a little bit more digging and research I found out that this was partially true. The reality is that they form part of a set that are fitted to a saddle and they are for the Heliograph signals equipment. The buckets are fitted to each side of the saddle and are designed to carry the heliograph tripod, signals telescope, and signals flags, thus allowing a Cavalry Regiment to carry signalling equipment in the field.
Signallers of the East Riding Yeomanry using a Heliograph and observing telescope in 1917
I went looking to get some more information on the heliograph equipment and manage to track down the information on the buckets in the List of Changes (LoC) and as part of that it had 2 excellent images of the buckets loaded with equipment fitted to a UP Saddle.
The mirrors and the “headset” of the heliograph would be stored in a leather case with a leather or webbing strap and were carried by the signaller while mounted.
I found that there is a very good facebook group that deals with the Heliograph equipment, of which there are a couple of posts about the use of the Heliograph by mounted units and even some images of the buckets, the photo below is a brilliant image of the two buckets, in what looks like excellent condition. They are owned by a chap called Jonathan Paynter and he states that they are stamped 1914. The Facebook group is the British Heliograph Club https://www.facebook.com/groups/776510812960897/
The left is for the telescope stand and signals flags, the right is for the Heliograph tripod. The Straps/loops at the top of each bucket would have gone around the rear arch of the UP Saddle, allowing the bucket to hang down, in the same way as the Rifle Bucket and the RE Tool Bucket does. On both you can see the leather steadying strap (in the centre of the buckets) that would have reached across to the Girth strap of the saddle and leather loop at the end of the strap would have allowed the buckets to be secured/tied by having the surcingle strap pass through the loop.
On the left bucket the strap at the bottom of the bucket is a short retaining strap to help tie the flag bucket to the Rifle bucket next to it. On the right hand bucket centre strap you will notice a smaller loop, this is to allow the scabbard of the Cavalry Sword to pass through and again this also adds to the stability of the equipment on the saddle. Admittedly that is quite hard to see in the LOC photo above as that has the picket peg secured above the sword scabbard (as it should be) but also over the top of the leather loop on the heliograph tripod bucket
The heliograph was an excellent piece of equipment and was used through out the army from the Victorian period and the Survey Squadrons of the Royal Engineers were still using it through to the 1980s when they were out doing large scale survey works.
The size and weight of the equipment also made sense that Cavalry units should have access to it and that it should be available in the field rather than being in the unit baggage/ stores wagons. From what I can find it was issued at the rate of 2 heliograph sets per cavalry regiment.
Australian Light Horse signals team 1918 in PalestineUnit unknown but these signallers are only using the Flags buckets. the lack of rifle buckets on the saddles suggests a mounted infantry unit (they often slung their rifles on their backs)
So to come back to my original puzzle, I still don’t have an answer as to this rider wearing 1908 equipment but I have at least learned about what the additional equipment is, and also learned that whoever loaded the kit put the heliograph tripod in the wrong bucket! Oh well everyday is a school day and it is always great to use old photos to broaden your knowledge through investigation and research.
Firstly this post is not a “paid for post” or sponsored post but simply a personal recommendation for somewhere that offered a great place to stay and brilliant service.
A few months ago I was down on the Somme and decided to stay overnight and didn’t want to stay in Albert. I was tracking down several of the “Men of Hartshorne”, visiting Delville Wood and also trying to locate 2 river crossing points where 3rd Field Sqn RE put in bridges for the Battle of Amiens on the 8th August 1918. So it was a visit with plenty of things to do.
Having searched for somewhere to stay I found a cracking place at the village of Chuignolles. The property is a very impressive country house and there are 2 rooms for renting and the owners provide an excellent breakfast.
Le Logis d’Anne-Sophie, is a great place. It’s quiet and very comfortable and the use of the lounge with the very warm open fire was just what I needed so that I could spread out the maps and books while I planned my next day activities.
It is Bed and Breakfast, and I must say it is a bloody good breakfast – Home made Brioche, with home made plumb jam which I can highly recommend . The village is quiet and you may need to head to the surrounding villages and towns for an evening meal but as I had brought my own evening food (due to being on this bloody diet) that wasn’t a problem and the owners set a place on the dining table for me to eat.
It was also interesting chatting with Anne-Sophie’s husband, Bruno, that he mentioned that the house had been used by the Germans in both wars. This was particularly interesting as some of the Armoured Cars of the 17th Armoured Car Battalion came through the village on the morning of the 8th August 1918 and engaged a German MG Company in the village, considering the house is on the main junction in the village the chances are that the house was in the thick of it. It would be an interesting side project at some point to research into the events of that day and what happened in the village.
Overall I can say that Le Logis d’Anne-Sophie is probably an ideal place to stay if you are looking at researching and exploring the Amiens 1918 battle area and if you just want a quiet but very comfortable place to stay when visiting the Somme area at any time of the year then give them a visit.
Over the last 9 months I’ve been working on a more concentrated effort to track down the graves or memorials of the individuals that died in the Great War that are named on the village war memorial. As stated in the original blog post (https://horsebacksapper.co.uk/?p=798) about the “Men of Hartshorne” there is a really good document that has the details of each individual that is named and also background information.
Of all of the men named there are 3 which currently that I can’t get to, 1 in Kenya and 2 in Turkey but I am looking at possibilities to get the Graves photographed by people in those locations.
In addition there is one other that I have not visited as it is a bit further away from my current location and I’ll need to try and link them with some more activities or battlefield visits. I will get them but not just yet!
The other thing that I will try and do is also give an indication of what battles they may have been killed in. Now there is no guarantee that this will be an accurate assumption of the point at which they died, the reason for this is that some of these soldiers are buried in cemeteries that will have been located next to field hospitals, clearing stations or aid posts or they are in cemeteries that are amalgamation of smaller burial sites. So these are assumptions and educated guesses. If anyone has more accurate details then please let me know so that I can update the information.
Private John Warden Allen, 25th Battalion Royal Fusiliers
Died of Wounds on 26th May 1916 and is buried in Nairobi South Cemetery.
I’ll try and get one of the Royal Engineers based in Kenya to visit the grave and take a photograph of John’s headstone.
Private William Edward Benbow of the 1st/5th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment.
Died of wounds on 1 August 1915. Buried in Lijssentoek Military Cemetery.
Lijssentoek Military Cemetry is a large cemetery located near Poperinghe, this area had 4 large casualty clearing stations. it is likely that William was injured on the front at Ypres and then evacuated back to one of the Medical clearing stations/ field hospitals.
Sapper Thomas Baldwin, 254th Tunnelling Company Royal Engineers (originally with the Lincolnshire regiment)
Killed in Action on the 22nd October 1917, buried in Poperinghe New Military Cemetery.
As a Sapper with a tunnelling Company I’ll do some investigation to try and find what may have happened at the time of Thomas’s death, it may be possible to identify from the unit War Diaries the what was going on.
Private John Bennett, 1st/4th Battalion Leicestershire Regiment
Died of Wounds 4 October 1918. Buried in Cabaret-Rouge British Cemetery, Souchez
This cemetery is north west of Arras and not far from the Vimy Ridge Memorial. it’s really well laid out and really worth the visit. I’d be interested to know what happened to John and it may well be something that I come back to look at further down the line.
Private John (Jack) Eaton, 6th Battalion King’s Shropshire Light Infantry
Died of Wounds 28th Jun 1918, Buried in Neuf-Brisach Communal Cemetery Extension.
The cemetery is located to the south of Strasbourg and the military extension contains the graves of 35 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War, all of whom died in 1918 as prisoners of war. Unfortunately I currently don’t have the details of when John was captured or the details of his wounds.
Private John William Gilbert, 8th Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment
Died of Wounds 31st July 1917, buried in Perth Cemetery (China Wall), Ypres.
The Third battle of Ypres started on the 31st July and in particular the Battle of Pilckem Ridge started on that day. the 8th Battalion were part of the units taking part in the battles and it is likely that Jack sustained his injuries in these battles.
Corporal Albert Booth, 1st/5th Battalion Leicestershire Regiment
Killed in Action 8 June 1917. Commemorated on the Arras memorial
Private James Blood, 10th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment.
Killed in Action 4 March 1917, Commemorated on the Thiepval memorial.
Sapper Frederick Brazier, 180th Tunnelling Company Royal Engineers.
Died of Wounds 30 March 1919, Buried in Hartshorne (St Peters) Churchyard, Derbyshire.
Sapper Fred Brazier was transfered to the Royal Engineers from the Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment due to his civilian experience working in the coal mines at Swadlincote. In March 1918 he and the others of 180th Tunnelling company found themselves on the surface fighting as infantry trying to stop the German offensive. During those battles the Germans used Gas and Fred wasn’t quick enough to get his mask on and as a result he was badly effected by the gas.
As a result he was treated but evacuate back to England for treatment. he was eventually invalided out of the Army in late 1918 and returned home to Hartshorne. He did try and return to work in the mines but continued to have difficulty with breathing, eventually he succumbed to the damage to his lungs and died in March 19, a year after being Gassed. As his death was attributed to injuries from service he is buried with a Military Headstone.
Private Richard Buxton, 1st Battalion Leicestershire Regiment.
Killed in Action 22 March 1918, Commemorated on the Arras Memorial.
Apologies for the poor image but with the weather and the angle that I had for taking the photo it is a poor effort, the next time I’m down there I’ll go in and take a better photo.
Died of Wounds 1st October 1916, Buried in Bac du Sud British Cemetery, Bailleulval.
This is a small but interesting cemetery and there are several Grenadier Guards buried here, along with several Royal Engineers. It is one of those locations that makes me want to investigate further what was happening in this area at the time that Willie lost his life.
Private Walter Carver, 9th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment.
Killed in Action 10 August 1915, Comemorated on the Helles Memorial, Turkey
This is one of the sites that I’ve not been to and I’ve not been able to find an image of the Tablet that would have Walter’s name shown. I’ll try and contact a Battlefield study that is visiting Gallipoli and ask if they can get a photo of the tablet showing his name.
Gunner Geoffrey Gotheridge, 2nd Siege Battery, Royal Garrison Artillery
Died of Wounds 30th October 1918, Buried in Premont British Cemetery.
This cemetery is located south of the 1914 Battlefield of La Cateau, however the soldiers in this cemetery are from the offensive that helped to end the war in 1918, this was known as the last 100 days and the “Pursuit to Mons”.
Corporal James Hallam, 15th Battalion Nottingham and Derbyshire Regiment.
Killed in Action 28 March 1918, buried in Assevillers New British Cemetery.
Able Seaman Frederick Hyde, HMS Lord Nelson, Royal Navy
Died 25th April 1915, Buried in V Beach Cemetery, Turkey
I haven’t been to Gallipoli but the there is a lot of information about the landings that happened on the 25th April. It appears that a detachment of sailors from HMS Lord Nelson provided the crews for the small boats that landed the infantry onto V Beach, throughout the morning. At some point Frederick was killed, but not before his bravery was noticed and he was Mentioned in Dispatches. I will definately look to do a blog post on the actions that Fred Hyde was involved in on the 25th April 1915.
Private Samuel Hyde, 9th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment
Died of Wounds 3rd October 1916, Buried in Bourlogne Eastern Cemetery
Boulogne-sur-Mer is a large Channel port and was one of the main ports used by the British and Empire Troops. The town also had a large military hospital to deal with the wounded as well as prepapre those to be returned to England.
It is very likely that Samuel was wounded, treated at a forward aid station or field hospital and was then moved back to Boulogne to the main hospital or to be returned to hospitals in Britian but unfortunately succumbed to his wounds.
Boulogne Eastern Cemetery, one of the town cemeteries and is a large civil cemetery, split in two by a road. Unusually, the headstones are laid flat in this cemetery due to nature of the sandy soil.
At the moment this is one of the French Cemeterys that I still have to visit.
Private Tom Hyde, 10th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment
Killed in Action, 14th February 1916. Commemorated on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial
Lance Sergeant Thomas King, 4th Battalion Grenadier Guards.
Killed in Action 25th September 1916. Commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial
Private Tom James, 2nd/6th Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment
Killed in Action 17th April 1918, Commemorated on Ploegsteert Memorial
Not the best photograph, but Tom’s name is at the top of the centre list. At the time of Tom’s death the Battle of Lys was occurring, this was part of the German spring Offensive, Operation Georgette.
Private Frank Masters, 1st Battalion Warwickshire Regiment
Died of Infection at Ypres, 25th April 1915, Commemorated on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial
Unfortunately the photo that I took of Frank’s name on the memorial was too poor to add to the blog and a recent visit to Ypres unfortunately I couldn’t get another photo due to the memorial being currently being renovated. As soon at the work is complete I’ll get back to Ypres and get the image to add to this post.
Private Thomas Meakin, 10th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment.
Died 18th September 1918, Buried Gauche Wood Cemetery, Villers-Guislain
As you look beyond the cemetery you can see the Memorial to the Indian Cavalry in the distance, which is located between Villers-Guislain and the village of Epehy.
This is a small cemetery located away from the village, Thomas was with a unit that was taking part in the Last 100 Days offensive. Villers-Guislain is located North East of the village of Epehy
Private Joseph Herbert Pegg, 6th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment
Killed in Action 6th November 1918, buried Roisin Communal Cemetery
While this is a civilian cemetery it does have this single line of military graves, many of the men her are from the Lincolnshire Regiment, it’s hard to think that Joseph and his comrades died 5 days before the Germans surrendered and about 30 miles from the point where the war would end for the British, back at Mons.
Private George Roome, 11th Battalion Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment.
Killed in Action 16th September 1917, Commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial
George died during the Third Battle of Ypres, also known as the Battle of Passchendaele.
WO1 Albert Sabine, Royal Engineers
Albert seems to be an interesting character, the issue is that his death isn’t until 1935 and it isn’t clear what occurred with Albert that resulted in his addition onto the village war memorial as a Great War death. More research is needed into his background.
Gunner William Smith, 19th Heavy Battery Royal Garrison Artillery
Killed in Action 12th September 1917, Buried in Canada Farm Cemetery, Ypres.
Private Samuel Staley, 6th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment
Died of Wounds 22 August 1917, Buried in Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery
As stated for Private William Benbow, the Lijssenthoek Cemetery is located next to a number of Casualty Clearing Stations and it is highly likely that Samuel was injured during the Third Battle of Ypres and then evacuated back through the casualty system back to one of the Clearing stations or hospitals in the area of Lijssenthoek.
Gunner James Harrold Twells, 113th Siege Battery, Royal garrison Artillery
Killed in Action 28 September 1918, Buried in Ypres Reservoir Cemetery
Lance Corporal Sydney Walker, 2nd Battalion Royal Irish Regiment
Killed in action 14th July 1916. Buried in Caterpillar Valley Cemetery, Longueval.
Lance Corporal John Walton, 1st Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment
Killed in Action 1 September 1916, Commemorated on the Thiepval memorial.
Private Bailey Webster, 9th battalion South Staffordshire Regiment
Killed in Action 13 February 1916, Buried in Ration Farm Military Cemetery, La Chapelle-D’Armentieres
Sergeant Albert Webster, 5th Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment
Died of Wounds 7 February 1921, Buried in Hartshorne (St Peters) Churchyard, Derbyshire.
Albert is buried in the village church cemetery and died 3 years after the war, it would be interesting to find out what the wounds were that he died of, there will be the need to do a bit more investigation on this. Albert served in the same Battalion as my wife’s grandfather who was gassed in March 1918 and suffered with breathing issues for the rest of his life, a question could be was Albert gassed at the same time? So more research needed on this one.
Died of Wounds 19th July 1916, Buried in Heilly Station Cemetery, Mericourt-L’Abbe
Looking across Heilly Station Cemetery
Heilly Station Cemetery is interesting as the vast majority of the graves are double or triple burials, most of whom are from the summer of 1916, which suggests that this was near or next to a field Hospital. This is supported by the fact that is it quite a distance back from the front lines of mid to late 1916.
Addition
The following soldier is not a Man of Hartshorne but his connection to the village is that he was the brother of Mr JT Alsop of the Scaddaws, Hartshorne.:
Private Samuel Alsop, 13th Company Machine Gun Corps.
Killed in Action 13th September 1916, Commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial.
